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Tom Clarke's avatar

It makes a big difference if the argument you're trying to steelman is logical but based on disputed assumptions or facts or whether the argument is illogical (or at least the logic is hard to parse).

It's really hard to do the latter, because you have to yada yada yada to get to the end position. In the former case it's helpful because it highlights that it's really the specific assumptions you're making that are at odds.

But then attempting to steelman the latter is a good exercise because it highlights where you have trouble making the logical leap. But it's the failure to steelman that you should note, not the success.

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Andy G's avatar

I agree 100% that Smith’s take here is somewhere between absurd and just stupid.

With that said, two additional comments on your take:

1) ‘Does every crank’s screwball theorizing need to be steelmanned? Maybe not,…”

Every competing theory need not be taken on, no. But if you DO address it, then yes you need to address the best reasonable version of it, not a strawmanned version.

2) “He also claims that trusting the marketplace of ideas is more humble than representing both sides of an issue yourself:”

IMO here you missed the most important point of all (though you allude to it earlier but don’t make it clear): exactly WHICH of the opinions in said marketplace of ideas on any given topic does he consider best?!?

The act of choosing said best one(s), done honestly, IS steelmanning!

The alternative of not choosing any at all and explicitly never mentioning the other side of the argument is to be an even more extreme version of the “role-playing attorney” he supposedly objects to himself!

If he wants to argue that he will always find and note said best alternatives in the marketplace of ideas instead of creating the steelman himself, I could even agree that that is a superior form of steelmanning to “rolling your own”. But of course he’s *not* making that argument, since that would be conceding that steelmanning is a good idea!

P.S. you *do* gotta give Smith props for the inspired Colossus pic he uses at the top of his piece.

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